Product review: Burt’s Bees Pink Grapefruit Lip Balm

I normally prefer vegan lip balms, but when I was out, chapped and desperate, I picked up this Burt’s Bees balm, figuring it was at least better than buying something laden down with nasty chemicals.

The product: Burt’s Bees Pink Grapefruit Lip Balm, $4 at drugstores

The claim: 100% natural lip balm to hydrate and soothe. Free of petrochemicals and Leaping Bunny certified.

I tried it: Right off the bat, I have to say that I love just about anything citrus scented and I loved the fragrance of this product. I also love anything pink, natch. From there, it’s kind of downhill. For starters, I didn’t feel like this product was terribly moisturizing. I have very dry lips to begin with but I don’t think I should have to constantly reapply a lip balm in order to stay moisturized.

I’m also not thrilled with the ingredients list. Yes, it’s mostly natural, but two ingredients stand out to me: limonene, which is an allergen and toxin (listed 6 out of 10 on Skin Deep’s hazardous chart), and lanolin, which is derived from sheep fat. Honestly I just think that’s kind of gross, and I don’t want it in my beauty products, especially when there are so many vegan lip balms out there that work so much better!

(Edited: it was pointed out to me that I misphrased the bit about lanolin. While it’s referred to as “sheep fat”, it’s the sheep’s sebum, which collects in their wool and is collected after shearing. So, not a fat from a dead animal–but for vegans who wish to avoid the wool industry, which tends not to treat animals very well, it’s still a no-go. (And even if the animals are not harmed, I would still personally rather avoid having an animal’s secretions on my lips. Yuck.) Sorry if that bit caused any confusion!)

I have mixed feelings about Burt’s. On the one hand, it’s great that they’re giving consumers without ready access to natural and vegetarian beauty products a mass-market alternative. On the other hand, I feel like they’re not as “green” or as “kind” as they might be marketed, and it also bugs me that most people don’t realize they’re owned by Clorox, which is decidedly not green or animal-friendly. On a totally personal and opinionated note, I also feel like their products are a poor cross-section of the green/vegetarian beauty community, since many of them are a little more expensive and not quite as effective as other brands out there (Nature’s Gate, Giovanni, etc.)–so consumers might use them and say “meh, I don’t know what’s so great about this stuff!” before returning to their other brands. I hope that doesn’t offend any Burt’s Bees lovers out there–if the products work for you, great! They’re just not my first pick.

My verdict: I was good enough to get me through until I could go to the health food store for a different lip balm, but I would not recommend or repurchase this product.

Ethical consumerism: calculating your “slavery footprint”

Have you ever calculated your “slavery footprint”? When we use the term “slavery”, most Americans tend to think of something from a school textbook about the Civil War era. Sadly, slavery is alive and well in the modern world, and it’s lurking in places you might not think to look for it.

Take, for example, the clothes you wear. Do you know where they came from and how they were made? There’s a very good chance they were manufactured in a third-world sweatshop from cotton or leather harvested by workers who are paid a ridiculously low wage for their work (and may even be children pulled out of school to go to work). Or how about your food: that cup of coffee you enjoy each morning may be the result of slave labor to pick and process the beans on a farm in Brazil.

While slavery is technically illegal across the globe, that doesn’t mean it’s nonexistent; the SumAll Foundation, which analyzes data and create reports for charities and social justice, estimated this year that there are over 27 million slaves in the world today. (In other words, there are more slaves in the world today than there were in 1860, when the estimated slave count stood at 25 million.) As profiled by The New York Times in March, a snappy infographic breaks down the numbers of the modern slave trade, pointing out that first-world consumerism is a driving force behind much of the modern slave trade.

Calculating your “slavery footprint”

While the numbers are troubling, it’s been hard to grasp the impact of modern slavery on the average American household until now. Made In A Free World, which works to engage consumers with an end goal of eliminating slavery, launched an interactive website called My Slavery Footprint, which offers users a way to input personal data and find out just how large their “slavery footprint” is in connection to what they buy, eat, wear, and use on a daily basis. The questionnaire covers topics like food, clothing, consumer electronics, and sporting goods.

The goal of the site isn’t to make you feel bad, but it probably will. After clicking through the questionnaire, the site calculated that a total of 53 slaves from countries like Brazil, China and Pakistan contributed to my daily lifestyle. 53? I’m not sure I interact with a total of 53 people on a daily basis. That’s a staggering number, and one that elicits a little pitter-patter of shame when I realize how terrible my consumer spending habits truly are.

Or are they?

Here’s the trouble with these types of questionnaires: while they’re a great place to start, they rarely capture the whole picture. There are a few reasons why I take issue with the My Slavery Footprint stats. For starters, some of the data presented on the site seems faulty. In a piece for published in January, Tim Worstall argues that the site doesn’t have all of their technical facts straight regarding the reserves and mining of coltan, an ore from which tantalum is extracted to make capacitors for electronics.

While it’s true that coltan mining in the Democratic Republic of Congo contributes heavily to world supply and that human rights abuses there are off the charts, it’s also true that a huge chunk of the world’s mined tantalum production in 2009 came from Australia (12.1%), Brazil (26.9%) and parts of Africa excluding the DRC (44.3%)–a fact My Slavery Footprint neglects to mention. Once you start stretching the stats, it hurts your overall cause. (To be completely fair, Worstall also cites Canada as a leading producer ahead of the DRC, but in 2009 that country produced just 3.7% of the earth’s mined tantalum, compared to the DRC’s 13%.) (Numbers courtesy of the 2009 minerals yearbook from the United States Geological Survey)

Second, there’s the rather vague way My Slavery Footprint actually collects your data. For example, when the site asks about your wardrobe, it asks only for the number of items of clothing you own broke down by tops, pants, jackets, shoes, and so forth. Since the site doesn’t ask for further information, such as the country of origin or the materials used, a large wardrobe results in a larger slavery footprint. Basically, the site doesn’t differentiate between a pair of Nikes and a pair of Toms, so someone who buys ethically crafted clothing made from organic fair trade cotton gets the same score as someone who buys leather goods or lots of mass-produced items from factories in China. 

Third, upcycling is left completely out of the loop, so if you’re getting your clothes, electronics or sporting goods second-hand (which many of us do, particularly in this economy), there’s no way to calculate a reduced footprint based on secondhand purchases versus new consumer goods. And if owning a bike contributes to a higher score via owning a piece of sporting equipment, there’s also no reduction in score for using said bike in place of a car to run daily errands, which theoretically would use higher amounts of items like rubber, certain metals and petroleum.

The site sort of kind of admits that your results are largely based on “assumptions”, when it shows you the five responses that most affected your overall footprint. But it’s still pretty vague. For example, my result shows that marking “body wash” as an item in my medicine cabinet contributed to a higher slavery score. But there’s nothing to say what brands I’m buying, how they were sourced, or where they were produced–all crucial pieces of information for a more well-rounded score.

How to put those numbers to good use

An essential part of data collection and processing involves making sense of the numbers. While I don’t think that My Slavery Footprint necessarily does a very good job of calculating your score, and I wish that the site employed more specific questions, it’s a great start to understanding the connection between consumerism and modern slavery. And if you’re willing to dig a little deeper into the factoids behind the numbers, you can find some really easy ways to shrink your footprint.

For example, if you’re a fashionista, consider upcycling new fashions from thrift stores and shopping through retailers who are making strides toward a more ethical supply chain. (I’m going to be posting more about both of those topics later in the month.)

If food contributes highly to your score, look for more fair-trade and ethically sourced items. For example, if you’re a hard-core chocolate addict, purchase bars made from fair-trade cocoa beans. My husband just bought me a big stack of bars from Theo Chocolate for our anniversary, and on top of using fair trade cocoa I saw that one of the bars helps support World Bicycle Relief, an organization that supplies locally assembled bicycles to students, entrepreneurs and health care workers in rural Africa. Talk about a cool way to multitask your ethical impact, huh?

I’m going to have more detailed posts throughout the month of June about ethical fashion, upcycling, and how you can alter your shopping habits for a greener (and more socially conscious) footprint. So be sure to check back later to see those posts!

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Product review: Montagne Jeunesse Chocolate Masque

Can you believe June is here already?! I used up a few products recently that I’m going to be featuring in my April/May empties video, so I wanted to get reviews of those items posted up here this week, starting with this masque. I know I haven’t posted any beauty reviews in quite a while, so it will be good to get back in the habit!

The product: Montagne Jeunesse Chocolate Masque, $2/0.7 ounces; at drugstores

The claims: For normal, dry and t-zone skin; offers deep pore cleansing while also moisturizing with cocoa and shea butter.

I tried it: To me, there are few things more relaxing than curling up with a book, some tea, and a good face masque to deep clean and soothe my skin. I feel like regular masques are an absolute must for keeping my skin in top shape and I love these inexpensive packets as a way to try out a new formula without splurging on a whole bottle.

FYI, while this is sold as a single-use packet, if you squeeze out the packet into an airtight container–there’s actually enough product for 2-5 masques–you just have to use it up within a couple of weeks or it will dry out.

The usage directions are pretty simple: gently wash your face and apply the masque, then kick back until it dries (about 15 minutes). This masque didn’t seem to flake badly while drying, which made me pretty happy–you can’t relax and sip your tea if your face is flaking like crazy!

The cocoa smell is just like a candy bar. This masque did a great job of cleaning out my pores without leaving my skin feeling tight or overdry. I think it was a great masque for my combination skin, since I have a fairly oily t-zone and drier patches on my cheeks and jawline.

My verdict: I loved the scent and how soft and clean my skin felt afterward. I will definitely repurchase this!

Product review: Own Skin Health Lifting Eye Cream

Disclosure: free product was sent for consideration, however the free product does not affect my honest review in any way and all opinions are my own. As always I do my best to provide you with a complete and honest review!

When I was younger I didn’t realize that slapping makeup on when you haven’t been taking care of your skin serves no purpose at all. I thought the solution to dullness, dryness, dark circles and all other assortment of skin maladies was different makeup. Now that I’m a bit older and wiser I’ve realized that I’m better off spending my money on quality products to take care of my skin, and that in doing so I’ll end up needing less makeup overall. Win-win!

The main problems I run into when shopping for skincare products are:

  • Not vegetarian-friendly
  • Packed full of chemicals
  • Way too expensive
  • Irritates my sensitive skin

So with those concerns in mind, I was super happy when IFabbo and Own Skin Health sent me this sample tube of the Own Skin Health Lifting Eye Cream to try out. (I say “sample” because that is how IFabbo refers to it, but judging by the size of the tube and the website info this is a full-sized product, which made me do a little jig of surprised happiness.)

This product is vegan, Leaping Bunny certified, free of retinol and other harsh ingredients, and priced comparable to drugstore lines like Olay and L’Oreal.

The product: Own Skin Health Lifting Eye Cream; $23.99/0.5 oz.; available online through

The claim: Formulated to lift and smooth wrinkles while brightening skin with clinically proven CLA technology. In eight weeks, reduce the appearance of crow’s feet by 61% and the total number of wrinkles around the eye area by 30%. Free of retinol, fragrances, parabens, and sulfates.

I tried it: I received my tube of eye cream at the beginning of April, so I’ve had ample time to test it out and see how it works! I apply it twice daily, in the mornings and evenings after I’ve washed my face and applied my regular face cream. You need only the tiniest dab–think the size of a grain of rice–for both eyes. I just tap it lightly into place around the eye as with any eye cream. (Jasmine at Green Eyed Monster has a great illustrated tutorial on eye cream application here.)

I feel like this stuff absorbs very well and is non-greasy, but remains hydrating. It has a very light and pleasant silky texture. If you had very dry or mature skin you might wish for something more moisturizing, but I felt like this was really hydrating even after a long day. And since you only need to use such a tiny amount, I know this little tube is going to last forever. I feel like I’ve barely made a dent in it in the six weeks that I’ve been testing it!

Having noted the hydration level, I must also note that this eye cream wasn’t too slippery to wear under my makeup. I have very dark undereye circles and need heavy-duty concealer to hide them; that “sheer coverage” nonsense just does not cut it with me. The trouble with heavy-coverage concealers is that they have a tendency to settle into the fine lines around the eyes and highlight them, which just defeats the purpose of trying to look fresh and rested! The solution is to wear an eye cream under your concealer, but some are so slick that your concealer just melts right off. I felt like this Own eye cream struck the perfect balance between hydration and staying power; I layered it over my moisturizer and under a primer and concealer, and my concealer’s normal wear time was not affected at all. My fine lines, on the other hand, were much less noticeable.

Now, let’s talk about using the eye cream without other products. This cream has an immediate yet subtle firming effect around my eyes, which helps disguise my bags and lines on the days I really don’t have time for makeup. I feel like this eye cream does help me look more well-rested. As far as the long-term anti-aging properties, I do feel there’s been a noticeable decrease in the number of fine lines around my eyes.

Finally, I have to point out that my skin is fickle: it handles some products with aplomb and others not at all. Many mainstream skin care products are full of chemicals that are not only icky but can also irritate sensitive skin, retinol being one of the most potent, so I’m really happy that this product is plant-based and didn’t sting my skin in the least. It also doesn’t have a strong “skin care” smell, if you know what I mean!

Here’s the ingredients list (from the Own Skin Health website), just in case you’re interested: Water, Caprylic/ Capric Triglyceride, Carthamus Tinctorius (Safflower) Oleosomes, Glycerin, Glyceryl Stearate, Stearic Acid, Conjugated Linoleic Acid*, Dimethicone, Cetearyl Olivate, Butyrospermum Parkii (Shea) Butter, Coco-Caprylate, Cetearyl Glucoside, Tocopherol, Coco-Glucoside, Glyceryl Oleate, Cetearyl Alcohol, Sorbitan Olivate, Glycine Soja (Soybean) Germ Extract, Magnesium Ascorbyl Phosphate, Potassium Sorbate, Xanthan Gum, Potassium Hydroxide, Phenoxyethanol, Ethylhexylglycerin.

My verdict: I love this stuff! I’m normally very skeptical of products that claim to improve your skin by such-and-such percentage so I was very happy to see such good results from this product. I’m so pleased to find a vegan Leaping Bunny-approved product at a mass retail price that works so well for me, and I will definitely consider purchasing other Own Skin Health products in the future!

If you’d like to try this product for yourself, Own and IFabbo have a special coupon code for you to use! Check out through the Own Skin Health website here and use coupon code “CLAIFABBO1” to get 30% off your first purchase of Own Skin Health products.

 Disclosure: free product was sent for consideration, however the free product does not affect my honest review in any way and all opinions are my own. As always I do my best to provide you with a complete and honest review!

Product review: Alba Botanica Natural Acne Dote Invisible Treatment Gel

Today I’m finishing off a three-part series of reviews on a trio of Alba Botanica acne products I used up this month. Friday I reviewed the regular wash, yesterday I showed you the scrub, and today I’m posting a review on the treatment gel.(Apologies for the crappy old picture, and shame on me for tossing the carton before checking my camera card to see if the picture turned out okay. You can tell I took this picture several months ago, when I was still learning.)

The product: Alba Botanica Natural Acne Dote Deep Pore Wash; $10

The claim: 2% salycylic acid derived from willow bark deep cleans pores. 65% of testers saw clearer skin in the morning when used overnight. (From their website)

I tried it: Since I loved the Acne Dote pore wash and scrub so much, I thought this spot treatment would be perfect for me. Despite trying to stick to a healthy diet and regular skincare regimen, I do get the occasional spot, and they always show up at the worst times, so I was really hoping to score a spot treatment that could kill a zit overnight.

Instead, I got a minor skin disaster. Surprised? You might be if you read my glowing reviews of the wash and scrub! Before I go on, I do feel the need to tell you that I’ve looked up reviews for this product on the Alba Botanica website, on, and on Makeup Alley; and while there are a couple of bad reviews, most people seem to love this product. So you need to take what I say below with a grain of salt and realize that this is merely my personal experience, and this product may work very differently for another person! :)

Here’s the deal: this stuff will suck the life out of a zit overnight like nothing I’ve ever tried. Unfortunately, it doesn’t stop there. If you’ve ever used a spot treatment gel you know how they work; you dab a tiny bit on zits and other trouble spots. When I get up in the AM, I can see exactly where I’ve dabbed the gel, because I have red, dry, flaking spots! Did I mention they’re flaky? I don’t have words to describe how lizard-y and icky I feel. Makeup makes the flaky spots even more visible; even a thick coat of creamy moisturizer can’t help them. They’re more like scabs.

And of course, if you know anything about skincare, you know that when the skin gets super-dry, it ramps up oil production to compensate…which means that a few days later, by the time the scab is finally gone and the surrounding dryness is healing up, I tend to get a new breakout in the same spot.

This product goes on clear, which is awesome, but it stings like crazy. I’ve tried using it in conjunction with my other Acne Dote products, with gentle cleansers, and finally with nothing more than a splash of warm water, thinking perhaps it was just the layering of so many acne products that was drying out my skin. It doesn’t matter. From the first dab to the last, this stuff dries out my skin instantly and terribly.

I’m honestly scratching my head at the number of positive reviews I’ve read, because it wasn’t like I was using this on a part of my face that tends to be dry. This is my T-zone, site of the world’s largest oil slick come a warm summer afternoon if I haven’t taken precautionary measures. I used to use the Clean & Clear spot treatment without ever experiencing this sort of drying issue, so I’m not really sure why this doesn’t work for me, especially considering how well the other Acne Dote products have performed for me.

One last note: this product is 100% vegetarian and is Leaping Bunny certified.

My verdict: Fail! I hate to say it, because I do love Alba Botanica, but they really let me down with this product. Perhaps it just works poorly for me and other people would love it, but I certainly won’t repurchase it in the future.

Product review: Alba Botanica Natural Acne Dote Face & Body Scrub

Today I’m continuing my three-part series of reviews on a trio of Alba Botanica acne products I used up this month. Yesterday I reviewed the regular wash, today I’ll show you the scrub, and tomorrow I’ll be posting a review on the treatment gel.

The product: Alba Botanica Natural Acne Dote Face & Body Scrub; $10

The claim: 2% salycylic acid derived from willow bark deep cleans pores. 80% of users saw clearer skin throughout the day. (From their website)

I tried it: I don’t know what I expected this stuff to look like, but I didn’t expect a slightly runny chocolate brown scrub! After my initial alarm (hey, it was early and I was tired!) I realized that this was probably caused by the ground-up walnut shells (which provide exfoliation) and took a moment to appreciate the beauty of an actual lathering cleanser. I’m used to thick, scratchy scrubs that exfoliate just fine but don’t feel like an actual cleanser. This is almost like a hybrid cleanser-scrub with very low lather and fine exfoliation.

I’ve used this product both solo and as a follow-up to the Acne Dote pore wash, and it works great either way. On the days I’m feeling super gunky and it seems like the pore wash just wasn’t enough to clean out my pores, particularly if I’m having a blackhead episode, I’ll use this scrub afterward just to seal the deal. However, because of the low lather, it also works great solo. It’s gentle enough that you can use it several times a week if need be, though obviously I don’t recommend going crazy overboard with the scrubbing; even with a gentle formula, your skin does need a break!

I used this stuff during the winter months without any dryness, which kind of surprised me. It doesn’t leave my skin red or stinging, and the smell isn’t harsh at all. Overall this is one of the gentlest acne scrubs I’ve ever picked up, drugstore or otherwise. As with the pore wash, I feel they’ve made a fair claim regarding the product’s effectiveness; I feel like using this scrub does a lot to keep my skin clearer and less oily throughout the day, which makes me very excited to use it this summer (the prime time of oily skin).

I do have to note that I’m a huge fan of the packaging. Many tubes, whether of scrubs or of another product like a hand creme or shampoo, are so rigid that it’s difficult to squeeze all of the product out. This one is super-flexible and very nearly rolls up like a toothpaste tube, so you can squeeze out every last drop of product. That’s a feature that makes this budget-conscious gal extremely happy.

My last notes: this product is 100% vegetarian and is Leaping Bunny certified. Be aware that some people may have an allergic reaction to the walnut shells!

My verdict: Another win! I love this scrub beyond words. Obviously I’ve already repurchased this product and I can’t imagine finding a replacement for it any time soon.

Product review: Alba Botanica Natural Acne Dote Deep Pore Wash

Today I’m kicking off a three-part series of reviews on a trio of Alba Botanica acne products I used up this month. Today I’ll review the regular wash, tomorrow I’ll show you the scrub, and on Sunday I’ll be posting a review on the treatment gel.

The product: Alba Botanica Natural Acne Dote Deep Pore Wash; $10

The claim: 2% salycylic acid derived from willow bark deep cleans pores. 70% of users saw clearer skin within 7 days. (From their website)

I tried it: My skin is combination-oily, with the odd breakout or blackhead, but it’s also sensitive. Finding a wash that addresses all of my concerns is tricky, so I was hoping I’d have good luck with a natural formula.

I’m not sold on the thin formula; it’s very watery, and I feel like it would be easier to work with a gel or cream cleanser. It’s easy to pour out way too much of this product, and if you’re not careful you can get it in your eyes, since it is so runny. However, it does lather up fairly well, despite being sulfate-free. (Sulfates are what cause traditional washes to lather and foam so wonderfully.)

I typically leave this cleanser on my face for 30-60 seconds so it can really work its magic. Most days this won’t cause any redness or burning, though on more sensitive days (if I’ve done a masque that morning, or if my face is wind-chapped) I just lather and rinse to avoid any stinging. This is an issue I’ve always had with acne washes, though, not specifically with this product, so that’s nothing new.

I feel like this cleanser does a good job of deep-cleaning my pores with overdrying my skin. It’s gentle enough that I can use it on a daily basis. A little goes a long way and the smell is not too harsh, which I appreciate, as I’m not big on scented face washes.

It does seem to pull off foundation fairly well but like any acne product, I would not use this to remove makeup around the eyes, since you’ll wind up burning yourself and needing to rinse out your eyes! I’ve used it after using oily makeup removers on my face and it does seem to cut through the oil fairly well to get my skin clean. I feel like I should just throw that out there for anyone who’s wondering.

I would agree with the statement that this wash gives you clearer skin within a week. I’ve switched back and forth from this wash to another a few times this winter and every time I switched back, there was a notable improvement in my skin within several days, with the most notable improvement being visibly cleaner and smaller pores. Long-term, my pores appear to have shrunk, I have to use deep cleansing masques less often, and my breakouts are reduced.

It also does seem that using this product keeps my skin looking and feeling less oily and shiny throughout the day. I have real problems with midday T-zone shine, whether or not I wear makeup of any kind, and I’ve noticed that the amount of oil and shine has decreased quite a bit since I started using this wash on a daily basis.

One last note: this product is 100% vegetarian and is Leaping Bunny certified.

My verdict: We have a winner! My skin has definitely changed for the better since I’ve started using this wash and I will definitely continue to buy it (even if I would prefer a thicker formula). I officially now have a Holy Grail face wash.

Product review: Jason Pure Natural Body Wash in Soothing Aloe Vera

Here’s a belated review from the archives of a product that actually got used up some time ago. I picked this up for my hubby when I decided to start transitioning his products over to cruelty-free options and then somehow just never got around to posting a review for you guys, so here it is!

The product: Jason Pure Natural Body Wash; $13.79 for 30 ounces; in ten scents. I picked up Soothing Aloe Vera.

The claim: “This gentle wash cleanses with natural botanical surfactants and safely nourishes with Vitamin E and Pro-Vitamin B5. Our natural blend of soothing Aloe Vera and Sunflower Seed Oil provides lipid relief to smooth and hydrate your skin.” (From their website)

I tried it: While the price seems high for this body wash, that’s one huge bottle. If you do the math per ounce, this bottle is cheaper than just about any other natural body wash on the shelves, and it’s actually even cheaper than some of the mainstream “natural” body washes from brands like Aveeno. With ten scents to choose from, there’s something there for every taste. I settled on Soothing Aloe Vera because I was buying this primarily for the hubby and this looked like the most unoffensively unisex scent on the shelf.

If you’re trying to go natural on a budget and need a big bottle of body wash for the whole family to use (or just like to buy in bulk), this is definitely a good choice. The scent is very mild and almost unnoticeable, depending on your sensitivity to scents. Hubby appreciated that it didn’t smell like flowers and I liked having something clean and fresh for a break from my usual scented body washes.

If you’ve never used a sulfate-free body wash, you need to know that they don’t lather like traditional body washes. You’ll get a little bit of suds, but not much. It takes some getting used to at first but it isn’t a bad change. This body wash rinses clean and doesn’t leave skin feeling dry or tight.

Jason products are vegetarian-friendly and Leaping Bunny-certified. This body wash is free of parabens, sulfates and phthalates. I actually found this at my local Target store, which made me pretty happy since Target often posts sales on their natural products that let you buy in bulk and get a gift card in return, saving you even more money in the process.

My verdict: One of the best body wash buys on the shelf. Hubby is happy with this scent but I’m thinking for myself I might look at some of the girlier scents available, like lavender or rose, once I’m done with  my current rotation of body washes.